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Periyava Sharanam. On the very auspicious occasion of, uh, Mahaperiyava's jayanti occasion, we have a very special devotee, VSR Murthy Ji from Andhra, Tenali specifically, who has, uh, prolonged connection with the Kamakoti Peetam, Kanchipuram, and he would like to today, um, introduce us to, uh, with his journey with the Kamakoti Acharyas, where he has deep connection with all the three Periyavas, continuing to till date, uh, with Bala Periyava, who is in Bangalore camp today, and he has come, uh, to the Bangalore camp, and he's been daily engaging with, uh, Periyava in terms of doing activities for the Kamakoti Peetam. So, Namaskaram, sir. Namaste. Uh, sir, uh, we all wanted to know how you are connected to the Kanchi Mutt, how you began your journey with the Srimat. At the outset, we offer our salutations to the lineage of gurus or guru parampara, [clears throat] particularly to the Kanchi Mutt. We start with an, an invocation to the guru, the trio, Shankar Vijayendra Swami now, much earlier Jayendra Saraswati Swami, then Paramacharya. This is the order now. Yes. Okay? Yes. Vande guru nam charanaravinde sandarshita swatma sukhavabodhe janasya ye jangalikaya mane samsara hala hala moha shanyaye. The very, uh, opportunity that one gets in life to have the darshan of the guru, it dispels the karmic effects- Hmm ... accrued over several births of a human. Yes. In this context, uh, I was very fortunate to have been sent to Kanchi by none other than Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba varu in 1966. Oh. 1962, I had the first darshan of, uh, Baba in Prasanthi Nilayam. After, uh, three, four years of time, Baba one day told me, "There are two places which you have to visit." Hmm. "The one is, the first and foremost is Kanchi Paramacharya." Hmm. "You must see him. Have his darshan. Then you also should proceed to other place called Tiruvannamalai-" Oh. "... where Ramana Maharshi had an ashram." Yes. "And his, uh, impact is still on the seekers, the seekers of jnana." So these two places only he suggested. Hmm. So I thought at the age of, uh, 14 or 15, will Paramacharya recognize me? Hmm. Or cognize me? [laughs] Or acknowledge me? Yes. I don't know, but these questions were lingering in my mind. Hmm. But it so happened, I didn't go to Kanchi. Okay. When I was traveling from one place to the other in Andhra Pradesh- Uh-huh ... there was a railway gate. Okay. The place is called Eluru railway gate. Eluru, okay. Eluru. Then, uh, when railway gate was closed, the bus was stopped. Hmm. I was traveling from some other place to Eluru. Hmm. Suddenly, I found the mena, you know, pal-palki. Yes, palki, yes. Palki. Also came to an abrupt halt. Hmm. And there was a, a, a rise of beautiful, uh, enthralling voice called Jai Jai Shankara, Hara Hara Shankara. Then I turned my face and found the palki just being a little four inches above the floor- Hmm ... on the road. Hmm. Then I immediately came out of the bus- Hmm ... uh, went and, uh, stood before the palki. Hmm. Then Paramacharya slowly turned the curtain aside- Hmm ... and, uh, he peeped out. He looked at me and said, "For 40 days, we are going to be in Eluru." Wah. "After your college time, you come straight to the place where we are going to be. Then all the 40 days you come." Wah. "But complete your studies then after college time." Uh. Then, uh, yeah, it's a wonderful thing. Direct, uh, recommendation. Direct, no recommendation, nothing. [laughs] I just offered my prayers- Uh ... offered my pranams. Then again, I went back to the, my seat. Uh. Meanwhile, the gate is open, and the palki moved on. Wah. Then followed by the bus. It's as if the palki was stopped just for you. Only for me. [laughs] It appeared, it, uh, even now when I remember, it's a very beautiful evergreen memory in my life. Yeah. [laughs] Then when I went to, uh, my college- Hmm ... by about 5:00, uh, I came back- Hmm ... to the place because, uh, Paramacharya already mentioned where he is going to stay. Uh. That particular Chaturmasyam was conducted by- Uh ... the Venkataramana & Co. It is a very famous book, uh, selling, uh- Oh ... uh, stationery, and they, they used to book calendars. Okay. So- What year it was? Uh, it was 1966. '66, okay. Yes, 1966. Hmm. So when I approached the place- Hmm ... Paramacharya was coming out of the room. Uh. Immediately, he spotted me. He didn't look at, at any, uh, place or in any direction, but he called me. Uh. Uh, also, he's, uh, summoned somebody to come. Uh. He signaled. Uh. He prescribed a place for me. Hmm. He told the Periyava, "Every day the boy will come- Hmm ... and this is the place for 40 days." Wah. "Nobody should sit there." Hmm. That is diametrically opposite to Periyava. Oh, wah. Right? Uh. Right in front. Periyava used to squat on the floor- Uh ... with a mic- Okay ... a metallic mic, which they, they were using in All India Radio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Right? Yeah. Then, um, that's it. Then Paramacharya told me only one thing. Uh. What is life? Hmm.Life is nothing but a great chance to live on this earth, and it is a very short journey- Uh. ... during which time one has to conduct himself very properly. Mm. Rise sampada, that is wealth. Mm. But to be used only for good cause. Okay. One, and acquire enormous knowledge- Mm ... only to redefine and refine yourself. Mm. Then whatever you accrue, whatever you get- Mm ... whatever you gain by the deep study of Shastras- Uh ... you must go into the quintessence of it and, uh, offer to the world. And we should never sell the knowledge. Mm. You should impart the knowledge. Yes. That's all. Yes. Then, uh, his Pravachanam started. Uh. 39 days, believe me- Uh ... Paramacharya never spoke to me even one word. So only one day he spoke? Only one day, first day. But he asked you to come for 40 days. All the 40 days. [laughs] I also assiduously followed the order- Uh ... of the guru. Uh, 39 days I was, uh, very keen, very intent to listen to him- Uh ... and understand what he's saying. Uh. He sup- spoke about Brahmasutra Bhashya. Ooh. Uh, he spoke about Upanishads. Mm. Especially Kenopanishad, followed by Kathopanishad. Uh. Then what is life, what is death, and all, uh, life beyond, et cetera. Uh. 39 days have gone. Uh. 40th day, that was the concluding day of his Pravachanams. Uh. Uh, Divya Abhibhashana we call it. Okay. Then, uh, just before conclusion- Mm ... he called me. Uh. We, we have been, because they never use I. Uh, yes. We have been observing you as a intent listener. Oh. What all you heard for 39 days will be of real wealth. It is going to be with you. Oh. What is life? Life i- first day he said is only a chance. Correct. No choice. Today, that is on the 13th or 40th day, he said- Uh ... life is f- a great celebration- Oh ... through karma- Mm ... through bhakti, and through jnana. Oh. From jnana, you must come back to bhakti. From bhakti, you should come back to karma. Karmanubandhi manusya loke, the whole human race has come only to indulge in activity. Mm. Activity, activity, and only activity. Yes. They are all good activities. Mm. The activities that beget beautiful bliss to us. Uh. And then through that activity and, uh, conducting ourselves, you can influence the society around. Mm. Like that, he spoke to me at length. Then he gave me prasadam. Mm. Uh, yeah, that is it. Okay. That was the first initiation- Uh ... done by Paramacharya. Okay. In, in this, during this period, Pudupiri was already, had come. No. In '54 he had come. No, no, no. The, the Bala Periyava came in 1983. Yeah, Bala Periyava came in '83. Uh, Puduva, yeah. Uh, Jayendra Periyava came in, uh, '54. '54. Did you meet him that time? No, no, no. No. He was not there. Okay. Okay. Mahaperiyava only came to- Only came, uh ... uh, Yeluru. Okay. Then what happened, um, after this, Mahaperiyava was to leave that place. Uh. But he called me, "You come tomorrow morning also." Okay. Then nobody was allowed an entry. Uh. He was not ready to meet the people. Okay. What all he had to do, he did for 40 days. Mm. And then he remained calm. Mm. But he asked me to come early in the morning by 5:00. Oh, okay. This time he said, "You come and, uh, just be with me." Okay. I went. I took my bath, changed my dress, uh, and went to him. A person who translates the Dharma into action- Uh ... and indulges only in Dharmic activities can reach the godhood very quickly. Mm. Man is no different from God. Mm. People say man is a social animal. Yes. That is not Indian culture. Oh. That's the culture by the Westerners. Mm. For 200 years, they said, "You are all animals." Yes. We are not animals. Mm. We have passed through the annals of history, took many, many, many births. Finally, we have come to a level where we indulge in seeking the jnana. Mm. Bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate. That is what, uh, Lord Krishna says- Mm ... in Bhagavad Gita, and Periyava also said the same. Okay. So this life, particular life, you must study well, you must, um, earn a lot of money, tons of money. Mm. But you must lead and live a Dharmic life. Uh. And he also categorized life at four points. Correct way of living. Mm. Style of living. Mm. Standard of living, and, uh, righteous, uh, living. Living. Mm. All the four combined alone is called life. Mm. All the other 83,099,999- Species ... species- Uh ... what they do, they come. Uh. They eat, they sleep, they crawl. Mm. They fly. Yes. And they die. [laughs] But human is not sup- He's endowed with the power of reason- Yes ... and discretion. Yes. Every time we have to weigh whether, uh, we are speaking good. Mm. Whether we are speaking the truth. Even if an un- unpleasant thing is to be told, it should be told politely. Mm. Sacham bruyat priyam bruyat, na bruyat sacham apriyam. Mm. It is a Upanishad vakya. Yes. So with that, Paramacharya, uh, asked me to study very well. Mm. Uh, then he asked me, "All the 39 days, uh, what is that you got here?" Mm. Critical point. Said, "Life is, as, uh, Periyava said, it is a celebration." Mm. "Let heaven or hell fall on my head." Mm. "I must remain as I am."Oh If I can maintain till the last by the grace of Guru- Mm. ... I think that is a real celebration, uh, Mahaswami- Yes ... I said. Yes. You understood the whole thing. Hm. This is the essence. Huh? Ammani will protect you. Mm. It is there with you. He never said she. It is always with you. Mm. So Ammani is neither she nor he, right? Oh. Tat, Tatvamasi. Yes. So with that, the first, uh, meeting of, uh, Paramacharia- Huh ... was very, very fruitful. Mm. I think that was the springboard- Yeah ... to get into the realms of spirituality. Yes. One. Mm. Then I mentioned to Paramacharia, uh, "Swami, one day Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba varu was talking to me." Ah. Uh, then he only suggested me to go to Kanchi- Ah ... and meet you. Yes. Uh, I didn't go to Kanchi, but I could meet Paramacharia. Mm. I think I have fulfilled the vow of my, uh, Guru- Yes ... Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. Yeah. Then what Swami said, you know, Kanchi is static. Okay. Acharya is dynamic. [laughs] Okay. Kanchi remains there. Yes. You can go anytime. Yes. But Acharya will be al- always on the move- Mm ... in propagation of Sanatana Dharma. Yes. Great words. Uh, then he said, "People also keep asking me, uh, Periyava, there is an energy called spiritual energy." Mm. Uh, kriya, icha, kriya, jnana. These three are energies. Yes. Uh, can we found the... Ca- can we ever find these aspects in the current arena? Mm. In the current times?" Then he said, "Sathya Sai Baba represents all the three shaktis." Mm. You are at a right place. That is why he guided you to go to Kanchi. Oh. Then he said, "Whenever you find time, when you get an occasion or when you are called by Ammani, come to Kanchi." Oh, okay. That's all. Ah. This is what happened. Mm. Yeah. Powerful words. [laughs] Very powerful, very deep. Okay. So how did you then transition into... How Pudu Periyava came into your, uh, life? No, no. Uh. It's not like that. Afterwards, I was building one project- Huh ... in Tamil Nadu. Okay. So that is, uh, Ranipet. Huh. And Tiruvannamalai. Okay. In between, Arcot was there. Yes. In Arcot also I was to build a project. I went there. Okay. Then Mahaswami was there. Huh. And also Jayendra Swami was there. I met both of them at one time- Okay ... in Pradosha Puja. Oh. Generally, only, uh, Maha, uh, uh, Swami does. Huh. Generally. Oh. That is his, uh, practice. Mm. While Jayendra Swami will be engaged in talking to the people, et cetera. Mm. But that day both were there in the puja. Oh. Mm. It, it is a beautiful sight to see. Okay. Then, of course, I, I sat in front. Uh, after the puja, uh, I stood up- Mm ... and, uh, offered my pranams to Mahaswami. Mm. Then Mahaswami turned to Jayendra Swami, "I saw this boy in 1966 in Eloor- Ah ... on the road." Ah. Uh, he listened to Paramacharia- Mm ... for 40 days. Mm. 41st day, uh, he was called. He was given initiation and also instruction. Ah. That's all. [laughs] Then Jayendra Swami turned to me, and he blessed me like this. Okay. And because when Paramaguru is there, he's not supposed to talk to me again. Yeah, yeah. No need to repeat. Yes. He will say, "What Paramacharia said is correct. I also feel the same." No such words. [laughs] When the number one guru is there- Yes ... his guru is there- Yes ... you are to remain silent. Yes. It is a discipline. So 1966 later. Mm. 1996. 30 years later. After 30 years. Mm. Paramacharia was not there. Yes, correct, '94, uh, yeah. Right? Yes, yes. '96. Mm. Then Balaswami and, uh, Jayendra Swami came to Hyderabad. Okay. Right? Yeah. Then, um, one day when an AS officer- Huh ... requested, uh, me to accompany- Huh ... and have darshan of, uh, Jayendra Swami. Okay. Then I also went with her. Mm. I think it was the time, not think, it was true, at that time- Huh ... Ayodhya group came. Okay. They were finding the birth time of Rama. Oh, okay. This Ayodhya renovation and all- Huh ... you know. Yeah. They all came with facts and figures, and Jayendra Swami was going through the papers. Huh. Then one Judge Pa- Padi- Pamidighantam Kodanda Ramayya- Huh ... who is, uh, totally attached to Kanchi Peetham. Huh. He was also there. Okay. With so many rudraksha malas around his neck and all. Huh. And, uh, he was leading the team. Huh. Then Swami suddenly said, "We are talking about Rama." Huh. "Ramachandra has come." Oh. Because my full name is Sri Ramachandra Murthy. Oh, okay, okay. [laughs] So they, they thought some Rama appeared. [laughs] He conceived Rama. Mm. He was dreaming Rama. Like that they were. [laughs] Where is Rama? We are unable... No, no, no. [laughs] Ramachandra has come. Mm. Then he signaled me to get into the room- Okay ... from the side door. Huh. And I went. When I went inside, Bala Periyava was just sitting behind Jayendra Swami. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So Swami disposed of them. Huh. Then he gave prasadam to some devotees who are in queue. Huh. Then he turned- Mm ... uh, his chair, said, um, "We are going to be..." It's a beauty, you see. Mm. "We are going to be here 40 days." Oh. All the 40- Same words. Mm. Uh, same words. [laughs] Then I was a student. Okay. Now I'm a project building engineering. Yes. [laughs] Then he said, "For 40 days continuously you come."Oh pa. You come in the evenings. Hmm. Swami, my project report, project site is around twenty eight kilometers- Hmm. -from Hyderabad center. Ah. Sometimes I can make it, sometimes I cannot. Ah. Then, uh, that is one. Ah. No, no, no, you can make it. [laughs] Okay. Paused. He, "You will make it." Oh, pa. He emphasized. Ah. Then I had a few more doubts. Hmm. Or I wanted to tell the truth. Hmm. I don't know how to wear a dhoti. Okay. [laughs] Okay. Swami, I come in a insert- Hmm ... with a leather belt on. Ah. And I wear a watch- Ah ... which also has got a leather belt. [laughs] So I wear leather on my body. Hmm. And also, I don't know how to wear a dhoti. Hmm. Uh, so what is that I can do here? Hmm. He paused for a while. Ah. Immediately he said, "A person who practices Dharma-" Hmm "... who lives Dharma-" Hmm "... who believes in Dharma-" Hmm "... who has respect for Dharma-" Hmm "... is he is not lokanishta. That is not lokanishta, that is atmanishta." Oh. You are in that. Pa. You come from tomorrow. Hmm. Today is already, first day is over. He said, "Initiation." Pa. Then I had to tell one more truth. I can't hide anything before a guru. [laughs] That is not correct. Hmm. What happened, I got upanayanam, uh, at the age of eight. Okay. Then I continued. I did Gayatri and all. Hmm. But by the time I became an adult and started building projects- Ah ... then it was becoming very difficult for me to practice, uh, Gayatri. Okay. Even to chant, because you can't do before sunrise. Correct. You can't do after sunset. Yes. So I have to leave my place before sunrise and return home in the night. Ah. So where is the time? Yeah. And you are not supposed to, uh, do Gayatri at any place you choose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Correct. No, you are not. There are some points. Yes. So it was becoming a problem for me. Hmm. There was a guilt within. Though I got upanayanam done- Hmm ... much earlier, for some time I could do, later I could not. Then, uh, I told one day Sathya Sai Baba, my guru. Hmm. Uh, "Swami, this is the problem. What is that I have to do?" When you have already crossed all the limits- Hmm ... then Janjyam is not going to be an asset to you. Okay. If it is going to be a hindrance, it's going to cause any disturbance, you can just, uh, leave it. So I don't wear Janjyam, though I'm a Brahmin by birth. Oh. This is what I told Jayendra Swami. Okay. Then Jayendra Swami laugh very heartily he laughed. [laughs] Yeah. He said, "What Baba said is correct." Oh, okay. In your case- Hmm ... punchline. Ah. What Baba said is 100% correct in your case. Ah, specific case? Yeah. Specific case. Murthy Garu, he used to call me only Murthy Garu. Hmm. I also don't have yajnam, yajnopavitham. [laughs] Pa. It means he cleared the doubt. Hmm. It means he equated my status to a sanyasi. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then I was not even 40. Hmm. Powerful words. Very powerful words. Hmm. This message should go to people. Yes. But this is not general. Yes, yes. Absolutely. Specific. A person who can bear, who can wear yajnopavitham should wear. Hmm. A person who has got time and opportunity to indulge in Gayatri, he should do it. Yes. Then I told, "Without Janjyam-" Ah. "... uh, that is yajnopavitham, uh, can I still chant Gayatri?" Then he turned to me, and, uh, what Baba said further? Ah. He asked me a counter question. Oh, pa. Ah. He said, "Gayatri can be chanted as a mental exercise." Hmm. Only thing is, the karma anushtana is not there. Ah, right. The symbols are not there. Yeah, with Theertha. The nyasa is not there. Hmm. There is no Theertha. Yes. So what Baba said is 100% correct in your case. Manasika Sanjavananam. Huh? Manasika Sanjavananam. Manasika, uh, Manasika. It's not even Sanjavananam. Hmm. I just say Gayatri. Hmm. That's all. Two, three times or 11 times, whenever I find time. Hmm. Any time you can do, between sunrise and sunset. Okay. I request the listeners and audience- Hmm ... not to take this as a general practice. Yes. And an escape route from chanting Gayatri. [laughs] Yeah, yeah. It is pertaining to only my case- Hmm ... that's all. Hmm. Uh, because it is told by two giants of this ce- century. Yes. One is Sathya Sai Baba. Yes. Second is Paramacharya. Yes. So I had no fear. Even now, I don't wear a Janjyam. Hmm. And Paramacharya, Jayendra Swami, Paramacharya, in the first instance- Hmm ... he declared, "Swami, uh, I wear, I, I come from factory." Ah. "Then I will not have a spare, uh, uh, clo-" Cloth. "... from college." Ah. From college. Ah. "I will not have any spare clothes." Hmm. "Then what I do?" See, the body itself is a cloth. [laughs] We are only covering it. Hmm. Uh, in your case, it is not required. Ah. And you can come and meet the Kanchi gurus with your shirt on. Ah. That's all. [laughs] Then continued for 40 years. Ah. Then one gentleman during those times- Ah ... who was very close to Jayendra Swami- Hmm ... uh, came and asked, "Swami, this gentleman, Murthy Garu, is wearing a shirt, wearing a leather belt, and he's standing next to you-" Hmm "... and conducting the program." Hmm. Um, is there anything specialty in it? Hmm. He asked. Hmm. He's a big man. I should not mention his name. Okay. Then Jayendra Swami, without losing any time- Hmm ... he simply said, "How do you, uh, go to, uh, your court?" Hmm. I go with a coat on, with a shoe on, with a belt on. Hmm. Then when you go to a, a family function, how do you go? I wear a lalchi, dhoti, et cetera. Hmm, hmm. At home, I wear a lungi, Swami.So you are using different garbs. Yes. Different attires depending upon the situation- Yes ... and occasion. Yes. So you are not what you are supposed to wear. Whether Murthy Garu is in factory- Mm. ... whether Murthy Garu is at home- Mm. ... whether Murthy Garu is with his gurus or Kanchipiam- Mm ... he's wearing the same. [laughs] Absolutely no change. [laughs] That is real status. Mm. Then, uh, despite. Mm. So then he, that was the time when he returned from Manasarovar Yatra. Oh, okay. He passed, uh, he stopped at, uh, Hyderabad. Ah. Then, uh, that was the time when he coined his slogan, Janakalyana Janajagran. Ah, the greatest program created by Gurudev. Program created by Jayendra Swami. Yes, yes, yes. Janajagran, you have to awake the people from slumber. Mm. They are moving away from Sanatana Dharma. Yeah. They have no respect. They are becoming atheists. Yes. Uh, even simple things that they are to follow, they are, they are giving no importance to it. Yes, yes. So that is how from Dalit- Yes ... to the Brahmin, I will see that the conversion take place. Ah. And the status is maintained. Mm. Conversion means from bad to good. Yes, yes. One has to go from bad to good. Yes. From inaction to action. Yes. From, uh, confusion to fusion. Mm. From division to vision. [laughs] Like this, he started that, uh, the Janakalyana, Janajagran Vedica. Yes. Then Janakalyana. Yes. A mere uttering, uh, very deep spiritual things- Ah ... it will not satiate the hunger of a seeker. Mm. The first is his welfare is to be taken care. Yes. Right? Yes. So Janajagran Janakalyana. Mm. Then, um, he asked me to conduct one youth program- Okay ... in Lal Bahadur Stadium, which is sprawling. Ah. About, uh, seven thousand youth attended. Abba. And, uh, Jayendra Swami and Shankara Vijayendra Saraswati Swami, they both came. Ah. Uh, they presided over. Then, um, uh, he spoke, uh, beautiful things. Mm. Then I said, "From Prashnottera Ratnamalika-" Ah. " ... there are so many things to follow, Swami." Mm. "Shall I make a small card-" Ah. " ... to be distributed among the youth?" Ah. Then, uh, "Yes," he said. Ah. "Do it." I think in two hours I made a draft. Okay. I took it to Jayendra Swami. Mm. He saw that. He passed it on to Vijayendra Swami. Mm. Both said, "Excellent." Ah. So who will print? Printing for, uh, seven thousand people- Mm ... it costs a lot of money. Yeah. Uh, I, I didn't bother. What Guru said, I followed and I prac- uh, completed. Ah. Then some gentleman was sitting- Ah ... right across Jayendra Swami. Ah. He turned to him and said, "Get ten thousand copies printed-" Abba. " ... in two days' time." Ah. "There is a seminar for youth we are going to attend." Mm. "Get them done." He got it done in a very prestigious press in Hyderabad. Oh, okay. Yeah. Then in between, Jayendra Swami, uh, brought one, uh, English version- Ah ... of translation of Paramacharya's speech- Ah ... delivered on 1947 night. Oh, Independence speech. Independence Day first. Oh. It was declared. Ah. Immediately, the first person who spoke on All India Radio- Ah ... was Paramacharya. Yes, yes, yes. He spoke in Tamil. Yes. Somebody translated then into English. Ah. Then, uh, Jayendra Swami gave me that. He asked me to translate. Ah. Not only me. Ah. Along with me, one IAS officer and another gentleman. Okay. Said, "You translate and bring." Ah. "There will be a Pandita Sabha-" Oh "... after two days." Mm. "We will see." Okay. So the, the other person is much elder, highly reputed scholar. Ah. So in Pandita Sabha he has to stand up and read before Guru. Oh, okay, okay. He stood up and, uh, uh, re-read out maybe in seven minutes' time. Mm. Uh, Swami said, "Okay." Then the IAS officer, uh, then it, he was working. Ah. He was also asked to read. He has to read out his pages. Yes. Then Swami said, "Okay." For both he said, "Okay." Then I was the youngest- Ah ... of the three. Ah. He said, "Murthy Garu, you read your version." I read out. He went into trance for five minutes. Oh. He didn't give any verdict. He was not very keen to give any verdict. Okay. But after five minutes, when there was a, um, a, it was silence that was ruling the whole auditorium. Ah. I- it was again in Skandagiri only. Ah. Hyderabad. Okay, okay. Then he clo- uh, slowly opened his eyes and said, "This bhasha, this language, is so close to my Guru's heart." Ah. Had Paramacharya spoken the same in Telugu- Ah ... it could be the same. Abba. Then we approve. Oh, ah. Then, uh, we approve. Mm. Then Shankara Vijayendra Swami- Mm ... uh, said, "You should reach out to people." Immediately he said. Ah. The, this is our Parama Guru's voice like. Ah. Then, uh, again it has to go. Mm. Uh, again, somebody should do it. I can't do it, no? Mm. When, uh, bank, uh, founder- Ah ... he was there with Jayendra Swami again. Okay, okay. Then he said, "You get them printed-" Mm "... in multicolor. Murthy Garu will give you the design." Ah. "You get it done." Then it was released by Shankara Vijayendra Saraswati Swami. Oh. So like this, uh, many activities. Mm. It is not mere Shastra, um, scholarly, you know, the, what we call deliberations or debates. Ah, ah. But it is the actualization of spirituality. Mm.To the common man To everybody. Mm. See, the people who mentioned, uh, just now- Uh. ... they are not very common. They are all big shots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he taught a lesson to the people who consider- Mm ... that they are very highly intellectual and highly positioned. Mm. It means nothing. Mm. It all depends upon the samskara- Yes ... and the vasanas that we carry over several births of our lives. Mm. Then Jayendra Swami, 40 days were over. Uh. Then I had several, uh, interactions with, uh, Bala Periva. Uh. Uh, he used to speak so much- Uh ... on Shilpa Shastra. Oh. Uh. Oh. 168 IAS officers- Uh ... they came from, uh, ASCI. That is, um, a training center for IAS people. Okay. They come and speak. Okay. So they, they all wanted to meet, uh, both the gurus. Uh. But that day Jayendra Swami was there upstairs. Uh. Uh, Bala Periva came. Uh. 1996, I am talking about. Okay. Then all officers were there, and fortunately- Mm ... most of them are known to me because I worked all over India. Okay. Chandigarh, Punjab, Jammu, Kashmir, Tamil Nadu, et cetera. Mm. So they were all there. They were seeing me and saying, "Hello, Murthy Garu. Hello." And I said, "It's not a place." [laughs] "Guru is coming." Mm. "Let us remain calm." Mm. Then Swami came, Bala Periva came- Uh ... and said, "First you speak in English." Uh. "Address them about Kanchi-" Uh. "... and the activities. Then we will, uh, conclude-" Okay. "... by an abhibhashanam, a brief speech." Mm. That's all. Oh. Uh, then of course I did it. It was a wonderful experience. All IAS officers who are go- just going to retire- Uh ... or just entered into service listened to Periva, Bala Periva. Mm. '96, you take the time back. Yeah, he would have been in the 20s. That's it. [laughs] He came in 83. What is, what is his age? Yes. [laughs] Unanimously- Yeah ... unequivocally, vociferously- Mm ... they all stood up in adoration to the Paramahamsa, uh, Shankara Vijayendra Swami. Oh. Mm. They stood in silence, and one IAS officer took the lead and said, "This is jnana." Ah. "What we learned is only file-clearing practice." [tsking] "We are, we have lost a lot of things." Mm. Uh, uh, "Swami, we learned so much today." Mm. "I think we'll implement-" Ah. "... during the policymaking." Mm. "You have given us so many directions." Ah. They all fell at his feet. They came in, uh, suits. Mm. Bala Periva said, "No, no, no, you be as, as you are. No problem." Mm. "Be there. You can all offer pranams to Ammanni," he said. Mm. "Not to me." You see the beauty of a guru. Yeah. Then, uh, everything went off very well. A real test came. Uh. We were running one, uh, uh, one small, uh, place- Uh ... an institute where the physically challenged people- Uh ... boys- Uh ... were there. Okay. There were about 250 people. Mm. Suddenly it occurred to me, let us pray to Guru- Uh ... to shower his grace on this, uh, unfortunate, uh, you know, group. Uh. Then I asked Jayendra Swami and Bala Periva, were together. Mm. "Swami, this is this. They have... We don't know their castes." Okay. "But they are all very poor." Mm. "Poor in health." Mm. "They, some cannot even walk. They crawl on the floor." Oh, God. "Some cannot even see." Mm. "If, uh, right hand is working, left is not working." Ah. "Such people are there." Mm. "I seek your blessings. Please shower your blessings on him, on them." Mm. Then you know what, what happened? Uh. Jayendra Swami immediately said, asked one question: "How they will come here?" Oh. It is a problem. Yes. It is from 28 kilometers. Ah. How they will come? Mm. They cannot even crawl, you are saying. Yes. "Swami, I know the managing director of APSRTC." Uh. "There, there will be, uh, seats inside." Uh. "I will see that they are all removed." Ah. "So one uniform level will be-" Uh. "... created within the bus, and we'll provide a ramp." Uh. "And we also provide a small wheeler so that everybody is taken into the bus." Okay. "Oh, it's a very good idea." Uh. "But it is government. Will they agree?" "Swami, I will speak. You gi- give me your blessings." [laughs] Then I went and met the RTC managing director. Uh. He said, "It is a noble cause." Mm. "What is there? We'll keep a, um, uh, car, bus ready." Mm. About three buses. Uh. Three into 56. Okay. Uh- Seats. Uh, yeah ... seats. About 200 people. Yeah. They all came. Mm. They all came. They have to again glide down, isn't it? They have to come out. Yeah. Yes. Each one was coming out. So one devotee- Uh ... who has come to have the darshan of Jayendra Swami and Bala Periva- Mm ... he said, "No, no, no, they are looking very dirty, you see." Mm. "How can they come inside? It is a sacred place where, uh, Kamakshi is worshiped." Mm. Like that he was, uh, talking. Mm. That was the time when call came from up. Mm. He said, Jayendra Swami, "Bring all the people and make them sit before Ammanni." Oh, ah. "Let all devotees stand outside." [tsking] Mm. Sure. "Let them all come and squat on the floor." [laughs] Then rows were made. I have, uh, photographs. Oh. Uh. Then Jayendra Swami came down. Mm. Came down and squatted on the floor along with them. Mm. But, uh, taking the help of a wall and, uh, he spoke to them. Okay. "You are not unfortunate. You are all, uh, blessed by the Lord." Mm. "Because of some karma in the past you have lost some, uh..." Yeah. No? Uh, anyway, a person who has all, uh-Facilities Ha All comforts. They are not doing anything. Mm. Please remember, every, uh, physically challenged or mentally challenged individual- Mm ... is endowed with some skill or other. Yes. That is God. That is how God balances. Mm. Then he spoke for about 10 minutes, and because I was standing beside Jayendra Swami- Mm ... uh, Govinda Krishna Jay, Gopala Krishna Jay. Ha. Radha Ramana Hari Govinda Jay Jay. Yes. This bhajan, he sang. Uh, Puthu Periyava? Ha. Oh. He made all people to join his chorus. Oh. And I was there. Then he said, "This is how Sathya Sai Baba took the mankind into his heart." Ah. This should be the way. Then a- again, he gave me one bunch. Mm. A small bunch. He asked me to give each and every student, uh, every boy- Mm ... one piece. Okay. That is Hanuman dollar. Okay. Uh. Hanuman dollar, without any chain or any thread. Okay. It is a dollar. So I went on giving, and I gave. There were remaining around 32 with me. Ha. I went and hand, tried to hand over. Moorthigaaru, all the 32, keep one for you. Ha. Although you ne- don't need it. Mm. One for you as a token of Amma's grace. Yes. Rest, people will come to you and collect their respective dollars. [laughs] Mm. Believe me, it so happened, within one month time, 31 dollars were given, given away to the physically- Oh ... challenged people. Somebody came and collected? Uh, as if somebody comes on their behalf. Yeah. Uh, we heard, uh, Jayendra Swami gave some dollar for the health of the people. Oh. Uh, I am told you are left with some. Yes. Jayendra Swami gave this. [laughs] Then during the whole thing- Mm ... Bala Periyava came from the top. Ha. He came. He also walked through. That, it was a time when Haripriya Rangarajan- Ha ... the first lady, uh, la- lady, that is wife of governor- Okay ... of Andhra, combined Andhra Pradesh- Okay ... was also interacting with Bala Periyava- Oh ... on sculpture of science. Oh. Then they were, uh, engaged in discussion for more than two and a half hours. Mm. And she was just sitting like this, and she wa- uh, as in Dakshinamurthy Stotram. Ha. Vishwam darpana drishyamana is one. Ha. Mouna vyakhya prakatita parabrahma tatvam yvanam. Yes. Yvanam. That Periyava was Yvanam at that time. Wah. And I found the Bala Periyava as Dakshinamurthy. Mm. None other than that at that time. Yes. Then he also went round, as the guru went. Mm. Came back and stood beside Jayendra Swami. Ha. He was still scattering on the floor. Then it was an eye-opener to the people who managed. Mm. Said the guru is a compassionate. Yes. Guru is a compa- uh, embodiment of absolute purity, divinity, and unity. Mm. He's more than God. Yes. So he, uh, made them sit before Ammini, one. Yes. Then he gave dollars. He sang a bhajan because they are all youngsters. Yeah. Young lads. Yes. He gave a, uh, such a beautiful hope of life. Mm. They said, "No, no, if we are, uh, disabled or enabled, our, we have enough, uh- Strength ... intellectual strength." Mm. "And Ammini is there for us." That is the thing that he has infused. Mm. Then what Bala Periyava did, you know what he did? Mm. For all the people, he got prasadam done. Okay. Without taking prasadam, you should not leave this place. Oh. Please eat here. Uh, uh, in the very presence of Amma. Mm. We will be here. Both gurus were standing, and they were eating. The, somebody again came. These people will be there, no? [laughs] They said, they said, "No, no, they don't know. They, their, their hand shakes. They may sp..." If it is spoiled, it will be cleaned. Mm. They will spoil. You are there to clean. [laughs] Be prepared to clean, he said. Like this, see, the guru is, uh, you can't just comprehend it. Yeah. Our personal experience should be laced with the guru's grace- Mm ... and guru's attitude- Yes ... and guru's compassion, and an impeccable love, uh, that you can't really measure. Yes. You may give a crore rupees to a guru. It doesn't, it means nothing to them. Mm. It is only a white paper. Yeah. That's all. Or colored paper. [laughs] If you give your heart- Mm ... if they accept, that is your real offering. Yes. So that, that is how Jayendra Swami then, uh, of course, um, after the, after Mahaparinirvana of Maha Periyava- Ha ... Jayendra Swami and Bala Periyava- Ha ... uh, we met a number of times. Okay. Then Bala Periyava. Mm. Coming to the present times. Yes. We have three gurus. Ha. Right? Yes. We have three gurus- Simultaneously ... at one time. Mm. Yes. One time. Yes. It is in the history of, uh, you know, spiritual, uh, lineage of India. Ha. No Peetham has got three acharyas at one time. Yes. That is the beauty of Kanchipuram. Even in history also, it does not there. No, it never happened, and it will never happen. Mm. It happened, that's all. Yes. Only once. Yes. Only to show how the whole Vedanta- Ha ... the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Puranas, the Itihasas- Ha ... and all the moral, ethical character and conduct are to be imbibed in the seeker. Ha. The D stands for divinity. Paramacharya gave lot of importance to achara. Okay. Shastra. Then, uh, conducting a righteous life, protecting the very essence of the shastras, and protecting the shastras. Mm. That is how after Adi Shankaracharya, it was only Paramacharya who walked throughout the length and breadth of this country. Yes. It happened after nearly 1,880 yearsOh. Oh, yeah. Yes Nobody walked except Paramacharya. Yes, yes. Correct, correct. We don't know where he will go, why he will go, with whom he will talk. Hmm. Whom he will rope in, whom he will influence. Yes. An atheist, a believer. Yes. A non-believer, a prodigal, a man who has fallen out of dharmic place. Hmm. He touched every soul of India and saw to that Indian constitution- Hmm ... is re-redefined so well that the Sampradaya and Sanatana Dharma are to be protected- Hmm ... at any cost because it was not included in the Indian Constitution. Yeah. And for Sanskrit, I say. And it is Jayanti day. Ah. Jayanti and Poornima have come together, and it was the time when, uh, Swami gave time at 1:00 in the night. Hmm. So he squatted on the floor. Some mat was given to the scholar. He said, "How is Sanskrit growing- Hmm ... in, uh, Japan?" he said. Hmm. Hmm. Uh, Paramacharya asked him. "Swami, we have around 32 centers." "No, no, no. You have 78 centers." [laughs] "You know only 32, but there are 78." Hmm. He mentioned the names of all balance, uh, centers. Oh. It means a guru need not travel. They can encompass time and space. Hmm. And they can visualize what, what happened, what is happening, what will happen. Hmm. That is why they are called Trikala Bhajya. Yeah. Yeah. Trikala Bhajya. Yeah. They are n-neither touched by nor influenced by- Hmm ... all the three, past, present, and future. Oh. So this is proved beyond doubt by Bala Periva. Hmm. That is his, uh, uh, what we call the very core aspect of his avatar. Hmm. He's verily the Ka-Kamakshi Ammavar- Yeah. Yes ... according to me. Yes. Right. So with this, uh, in, uh, 19, uh... Sorry, 2023- Uh ... Bala Periva came to Hyderabad. Hmm. We met, then rest is history. Yes. Lot of things happened. He saw to that many people are, you know, roped in and brought together, while Paramacharya protected Sanatana Dharma, achara- Hmm ... vyavahara, vihara and vichara. Hmm. Jayendra Swami took Kanchi Mutt out of Kanchi- Hmm ... spread over all over the world- Yeah ... by using all means, exploiting, exploring- Hmm ... all available opportunities to see that the Dharma is sustained. Yes. No Acharya in India afforded or, uh, dared enough to visit seven states, like Mizoram, Sikkim, Mizoram, et cetera. Ah. But it was only Jayendra Swami who could touch. Yes. Today, we got Ram Mandir in Ayodhya. Hmm. It is all entirely because of Jayendra Swami's efforts. Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely. Ashok Singhal was there. Hmm. Vishva Hindu Parishad. Yes. Bajrang Dal. Everybody was influenced, and he, he brought all these groups together- Hmm ... and he tried for it. Yes. And today, if, uh, Ayodhya Ram Mandir is made- Huh ... it is because of the consistent, constant- Hmm ... incessant, perennial efforts of Jayendra Saraswati Swami. Yes. That's all. No doubt. No doubt about it. [laughs] Hmm. Another incident I'll tell you. When I was speaking, uh, uh, when I was de-delivering a lecture in Guntur- Uh ... Jayendra Swami was camping in a place called Chilakaluripet. Uh. So he was to come, travel and come. It will take another half an hour. It's the organizer's problem. Hmm. I started my speech. Hmm. It was going on. That was the time Jayendra Swami entered the premises. Uh. So everybody tried to stand in reverence. He said, "Sit down," he said. Hmm. Everybody sat down. Uh, Jayendra Swami came onto the dais and occupied his chair. Hmm. And I continued. I didn't stop. I continued. Hmm. Then I told him, I told the audience, "Prabodha is one aspect." Hmm. "Prachara is another aspect. What we need is prasara." Hmm. We have to translate, transport, and transmit. [laughs] Transmission is excellent. Yeah. It should be only through our life and living. Yes. There is no other way. I can give 1,000 lectures and indulge in a bad thing. What is that? Yes. So what I speak, what I teach, I must be that. Hmm. Then, um, «Yadyadaacarati shreshThah.» Hmm. If, if, if a prajna lays a path, people will walk on that. Hmm. And we should be the, in the lead. That is how, um, Jayendra Swami, he took the mic immediately after. "I don't want to give any message today." Hmm. "What I wanted to talk today, what I wanted to share and impart with you today-" Hmm "... Moorthi Garu has already done." [laughs] "I remain silent." Hmm. That is the history. [laughs] It is there. Uh. So what happened, Jayendra Swami, he took Kanchi Peetam and its aspects, its strengths, its, uh, resolves- Hmm ... resolutions- Hmm ... to the world. Uh. To the world. So he represents the Anushtana Achara Vedanta. Oh. Anushtana, he does. Hmm. Achara, he performs. Hmm. What he does, it is a Vedanta. Yes. Right. Now, coming to Bala Periva, now we should not use the word Bala Periva. Uh. He's a Jagadguru. Yes. We, only people who are connected with him may call Bala Periva because of, by habit. Yeah. But today, even by mistake, we should not call him Bala Periva. Hmm. He's the highest. Yes. He's heading a 2,600 years old Peetam. Yes. Kanchi Peetam. Yes.Done by Adi Shankara Yes Who called Kanchipatham as Moksha Puri Yes Not only that, when it was in Kumbhakonam, it was a Shaktheya Peetham Mm But Adi Shankara came and converted the whole thing into Advaita Peetha Mm That's why you see, uh, the, all sorts of temples. Y- you know, in Hindava- Yeah ... all are there only in Kanchi Mm. At other places, only one. There, many as one, here, one as many Yeah, yeah, yeah. Correct, correct That's all, that's the difference Yes, yes. Then what, what are the principles? What are the aspirations? What are the, what are the guidelines? Mm. What are the divine directions, uh, Shankara Vijayendra Swami is giving today? Mm. Sanatana Dharma, Sanatana Sadachara Vidya- Mm ... should be taught to the people as Sanutana Okay With a modern outlook Nutana. Mm With modern applica- Not nutana, sanutana Okay This sanutana will be the path Mm So it should be there. Then, uh, if you, if you are an adept in Vedic knowledge, if you don't know how to operate a computer- Mm ... you'll be out of context Correct If you are an excellent person on computer, if you don't know the very basics of Indian ethos and philosophies- Mm ... your computer knowledge is redundant Yes In fact, you are a slave to that Yes Even you gain mastery over that- Mm ... you have to depend upon figures Yes, yes ... your keyboard, uh, as you know how to operate computer and all Yes, yes So here, what he's doing is let all the youth get back to the roots Mm When roots are fine and strong, fruits will be excellent [laughs] Whether it is a man, girl, or a woman, when, when you see- Mm ... people in queue, he speaks more to the young Yes What are you studying? What is your subject? Uh, what are your interests? Then it is a holistic development, uh, Vijayendra Swami is aiming at Yes For that, he is u- he is using only Sanatana Dharma Mm Nothing else. Maybe he may use some English, uh, words, but contextually and in a deliberation we can use. Any language is, after all, a vehicle of communication, nothing else Yes, yes It doesn't bear much Yes So Samskruta Vidya, Veda is for cleaning the mind Mm Ayurveda is for cleaning the body Yes Right? Yes. If body is strong, mind is strong [laughs] Huh? Yes So like that, uh, the combination of Paramacharya and Jayendra Swami- Mm ... it is more equal than the other, and the dimension is very, very contextual Yeah It is timely, it is contemporary, it is modern. That is Navina Mm. That is Navina. Navina is every minute is a Navina Yes One hour ago, there, that is the past for me Yeah So next one hour, I don't know Yes But today it is Navina. This moment is Navina [laughs] So he has very great ideas, great visions- Mm ... uh, great projects, great proposals, uh, on Indian ethos- Mm ... and Sanatana Dharma. Guru Bhakti, Daiva Bhakti, Dev- Deva Bhakti, Desha Bhakti Mm So one day, Swamivar, when I was talking to him, he said, "Between Deham and Daivam- Mm ... there is Desham. Remember." Oh. Mm. Wah. Between Deham and Daivam, Desham is there. Daivam you can't see. Uh. Deham you are not going to keep for long Mm Then Desham will remain. [laughs] You are born here Wah You breathe the air here Mm You had water from here Yes All the five elements gave you several, several opportunities- Mm ... to rise higher and higher in life Yeah And this is the best opportunity. Don't indulge in loose talk. Mm. Don't indulge in rumors. Don't indulge in wasteful talk. Spend all the time thinking, contemplating, concentration, concentrating, and meditating upon the unseen, unmanifest Mm But God is so great, He manifested as the nature. Nature is God. Mm. He's for environmental protection Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes He's very much Paryavarna. Paryavarna, according to Jayendra Swami, is not just the nature. Paryavarna means ambiance Mm That ambiance at home should be like a gurukulam Yeah It should be as pure. It should be more than a temple, and each temple should become a knowledge center Mm All Hindus, all human beings should go to their respective places of worship Mm Have faith in the God or ultimate, and then lead your life. Surrender is the best hallmark- Mm ... of a seeker. Though he may be knowing a thousand things, he will never say, "You know all these things." He will simply say, "Okay, it's okay. It is happening" [laughs] Uh, he will attribute to Guru's grace. He said, "Guru's grace is there, but your effort should be there Mm Mm Yes When Guru's grace is in abundance, when you don't, uh, move at all, what is the purpose? Yes He will never, uh, make a wrong investment at wrong place [laughs] So investment, uh, giving with us or investing in us- Mm ... is nothing but his grace Mm So I, I offer my humble pranams to Paramacharya Maha Chandrasekharendra Saraswati Swami- Mm ... who initiated me into the spiritual arena Mm Jayendra Swami, who gave me an opportunity to interact with the youth- Mm ... and who made me realize the power of youth of this country Yes And also Jaya Shankara Vijayendra Swami for his erudite scholarship Mm Absolute retention levels. He can remember maybe our, uh, you know, things- Uh ... related to several births he can tell Oh, wow That is the beauty Mm Yet, he is very calm, very quiet, and he interacts with each and every devotee who comes for his... He will never deny any darshan Yeah I have not seen so far anybody going without seeing him or without talking to him Oh, okay If, uh, nobody is getting a chance, if somebody says, "Puja time is ready," he will say, "I will, I will do that"Just wait, he will call. If there are hundred people, he will go to them. Today morning it's- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bangalore he's been going. Yes ... fifteen hundred people were in the queue. Oh, wow. The time was up. He has to go because it is their guru, Paramaguru's Jayanthi. Ah. Then he walked up to the devotees. Yes, yes. Ah. [laughs] And he will inquire with each and every one- Yeah ... their welfare, their problems, and upliftment, so many things. Yes. So I see all the three acharyas in a different perception. The perspective is different. Mm. Perception is different. Mm. Implementation, uh, interpretation is different. The implementation of their ideals, he grants us so many opportunities. Yes. He commands, "You do this," we should do that. We must attempt to do that. Mm. Then it is his grace that makes everything realized. So it's a very great opportunity- Yes, sir ... to speak of my gurus who really influenced me. And I also owe my prathama pranam to Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba- Mm ... who guided me towards Arunachalam and Paramacharya. Ah. My, I offer my pranams to the very lineage of, uh, gurus, and, uh, whether it is a god or guru, it occurred only in India. In other countries, philosophers took birth. Mm. But no god has taken any birth in any country other than the holy India. Yes. My namaskar, my pranams to my gurus, my pranams to my, um, country. Yes. Pranams to the whole mankind, which should be poised and ready to indulge in dharmic activities- Mm ... and utilize their time, energy, and money for a noble cause. Jai Jai Shankara. Har Har Shankara. Thank you very much for your time, sir. Jai Jai Shankara. Har Har Shankara.
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Experience with mahaperiyava - KANCHI IS STATIC ACHARYA IS DYNAMIC 50 yrs of grace
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